SquishyTaco
SquishyTaco

Why are project managers paid less?

I am honestly just furious at the pay difference between the salary of an sde and a pm. Both work just as hard.

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SquishyQuokka
SquishyQuokka
Gojek24mo

I could teach a 12th standard kid, how to do project management. Don’t need some Lean Six Sigma or Black Belt/Yellow belt thing 😂😂

Look at the relative difficulty, also look at the difference in the value created by the 99th percentile SDE v/s the 99th percentile Project Manager.

I can assure you 99th percentile SDE brings in more than 10x 💵 than the 99th percentile Project Manager.

Also, Project Managers are not PMs. Product Managers are.

SquishyQuokka
SquishyQuokka
Gojek24mo

and true Product guys are worth as much and maybe more than SDEs

PeppyRaccoon
PeppyRaccoon
Vercel24mo

Next we will have post by HR/Recruiter complaining why they are being paid less as they are the ones who 'hire' these 99th percentile SDEs.

SquishyCupcake
SquishyCupcake
Amazon24mo

the real question is why do they get paid at all...

SquishyTaco
SquishyTaco
Zeta24mo

What?

SquishyCupcake
SquishyCupcake
Amazon24mo

the concept of purely a management role is outdated. In this day and age tech staff is growing to be more and more self governing ...

The larger the hierarchy of PMs in the org, the more useless they become in their actuality... I'm sorry if it sounds harsh but that's what I've seen in my half a decade of exp. ... I would however love to hear a counter argument purely based on logic and devoid of personal bias.

SleepyMochi
SleepyMochi

Both PMs ( product and project ) are lazy unneeded bums for the most part. There’s a reason engineers don’t like them.

DerpySushi
DerpySushi

Haha true, maybe you don't need a Product manager, sure. But I'm sorry to say, engineers are shit empaths. And it's not your fault either, you're not best placed in the decision tree to realise the need.

SquishyTaco
SquishyTaco
Zeta24mo

If you didn’t have Project and Program guys, the engineers would just get into a loop of feature dev and nothing would ever get shipped. Sorry but I’ve seen it happen.

MagicalMarshmallow
MagicalMarshmallow

The self entitled attitude and the bubble sde s in this platform are at is at another level. 99th percentile is a very bad metric to compare. What does an average SDE bring to the table? There are many smarter ppl in finance and consulting compared to you guys in tech!

SquishyTaco
SquishyTaco
Zeta24mo

Exactly. Thank you.

SparklyBagel
SparklyBagel

Thank you for saying this. I am amazed at the ignorance of tech folks here about how critical a project manager it. You give a project that needs to go through 5 engineering teams and just watch it disintegrate without a project manager.

DerpySushi
DerpySushi

Hmm. Looks like you're yet to learn the concept of supply demand xD

SquishyTaco
SquishyTaco
Zeta24mo

No i do get it. But as a general trend I have seen SDEs and tech roles always get paid more than non tech roles.

BouncyUnicorn
BouncyUnicorn
Student23mo

They do the real thing. Non tech roles are there to assist them with their work.

DancingPotato
DancingPotato

Are you being serious?

SquishyTaco
SquishyTaco
Zeta24mo

Yes. The difference is way too much man.

DancingPotato
DancingPotato

Noi meant that you need help. The difference is justified. I have done both roles. Pm don't even come close to tech in term of complexity

BubblyMuffin
BubblyMuffin
Amazon24mo

Cope harder 💀

ZoomyPickle
ZoomyPickle

Supply Demand economics. There is plethora of people wanting to be PMs.

CosmicTaco
CosmicTaco

It used to be the other way around some time ago. Supply demand

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