Designer resigns on first day after Manager’s 💩behaviour
Apparently the company is trying really hard to do damage control but the cat is out of the bag. They’ve been abhorrent in the way they conduct their company.
This is a tight slap to anyone who expects unreasonable working hours without fair compensation.
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On October 7th, their reporting manager set some alarming expectations right off the bat. The manager demanded unpaid overtime and excessive work hours beyond what's typically considered reasonable.
When the employee tried to establish healthy boundaries and bring up work-life balance, the manager's response was dismissive and mocking. He belittled these concepts as "fancy terms" and "Western developed nation behavior," implying they had no place in this work environment. The manager even ridiculed the employee's desire for personal time to read and exercise, treating these basic needs as mere excuses.
There's a significant difference between voluntarily putting in extra effort for your own passionate project versus being coerced into overwork by an established, profitable company.
What do you think about this?
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I'm curious who will be offering him a job now. What he did might not be wrong but this kind of screenshotting company emails to direct public glare on the company doesn't bode well for him. If you are in a company's hr shoes, there is almost unlimited downside to hiring him.
I dont think so. These so called 'managers' think they can set unreasonable expectations, scold employees on their first day and get away with it then they need to be exposed and put in their place. It is one thing to professionally set expectations but belittling the people or calling names just because they asked about work life balance is not acceptable. I hope the manager learned their lesson.
On the contrary good companies will definitely give him a job. But he should have mentioned the name of the manager too. So that me and my contacts would have tagged him at linkedIn and named and shamed him. Need to clean the sht in the workplace.
Saw it on Reddit: “The Manager took it better than Bhavish Agarwal did.”
But it seems like Legal team might be responsible for that statement.
They also keep calling work life balance a western idea.... Like bc should we just work like a slave till death because we were born in this shithole.
Just look at all the deaths in the white collar ecosystem this year;
1.EY employee suicide due to work pressure
2. McKinsey and Co employee suicide due to work pressure and long hours
3.Wells Fargo employee dying at the cubicle and not being found
4.Bank of America employee death
and the list just goes on…
I would say even if this story is remotely true. Then it’s worth leaving such a crap job. No job is more important that your life.
Remember guys, your mom is always waiting for you, and she will always love her son/daughter more than anything else in the world.
Add one HDFC employee who committed suicide, another bank employee who died in office because they were sick and couldn't take leave.
That’s a good response from the manager. If there is such a big mismatch, makes sense to part ways early.
Not doubting shreyas, i somehow also think there is a lot of projection and presupposition in how he might have taken a few statements especially without context
1/ a high output employee asking for work life balance is great. If a manager has duds with little output (and sadly can’t be fired until there are replacements) some managers would end up being upfront about the work being important than life. Cos their median is that coasting employee who needs to be pushed constantly.
You can say it’s a bad manager, true on occasions, and again context would have helped.
2/ same goes with impossible deadlines. Quite a few Indian employees won’t work at all if there is no target/deadline on their head.
If you are a high ownership individual who can deliver quality, you should communicate. If you can’t deliver quality and still want a good wlb, you are at the company till they hire a good resource.
I don’t think it’s a manager response. Legal ne pakda hoga isko
Bhai, commenting on someone's personal life, and unloading pressure on day one doesn't make someone a "high ownership individual".
Don't you notice the irony in your own assertions when you justify the terms like "Impossible Deadlines" and "High output employee asking for WL balance is great". Pushing people to Deliver a high output without a fair compensation is slavery 101.
Mind what you're supporting. Being a manager or a founder is not just about your loyalty towards the company or the investors, but also your people.
Need to know more of the story. I feel to extremes could have collided here.
The writer of the email also seems a bit extreme. The manager must have been too.
Expectation setting definitely lost here.
This is quite extreme waise. Agreed.
Although this seems to be a case of NM 70 hour worker manifesto.
All those here who are trying to justify even a little bit of what manager did - are 1) either shitty manager who are following similar practices and don’t want to admit it in their mind or 2) are those slaves who doesn’t have guts to do this even after many years in company. And since they do not have guts, they are trying to identify some negative points from Shreyas’ decision , so that they can console their inner self by lying