JazzyBagel
JazzyBagel

Are your ESOPs worth it?

My profile: EX. Founder turned Product+ strategy person YOE: 5+ ESOPs: 80 lakhs Cliff: 1 year Vesting period: 48 months

I am still thinking after how many years it will be valuable given the liquidity is very rare for ESOPs. Any thoughts?

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BubblyNugget
BubblyNugget

most start up wont list

JazzyBagel
JazzyBagel
Zepto17mo

Exactly. And there are so few buyback events in the whole ecosystem. How much do you have?

BubblyNugget
BubblyNugget

I had 30L. Don't think it will ever list or any buy back will happen

BubblyKoala
BubblyKoala

ESOP value has following risks

  1. Company growing sizeably and being valuable
  2. Founders ensuring liquidity events for everyone.

You should be joining early stage startups for the experience and your growth. ESOPs should be taken with above two probabilities

JazzyBagel
JazzyBagel
Zepto17mo

My concern is that in the last 7-8 years I have rarely heard about liquidity. ESOPs are always the last ones to get liquidity after VC, angel, founders....

BubblyKoala
BubblyKoala

VC/Angels have a different class of shares altogether. You shouldn’t be comparing to them at all. They will get some money in average situations while ESOPs are only worthwhile if it keeps doing well and growing

SillyDonut
SillyDonut
TCS17mo

Take cash bruh

JazzyBagel
JazzyBagel
Zepto17mo

Haha I wish bro. But kya karein

SillyDonut
SillyDonut
TCS17mo

Kare wahi jo man kare...esops are hoax at startup.

Decide judiciously

JumpyHamster
JumpyHamster

It is a equivalent to a tissue paper unless the company has successful exit. The chance for this is 1 percentage

JazzyBagel
JazzyBagel
Zepto17mo

I feel even less than 1 percent.

ZestyKoala
ZestyKoala

Interesting profile.
What would you prefer
X ESOPs vs Y cash? X, and Y can be discussed but assuming in a comparable range

JazzyBagel
JazzyBagel
Zepto17mo

I would prefer more cash now. But again depends on the founder pedigree.

FuzzyCupcake
FuzzyCupcake

I often say this- you never think esops as compensation for paying lower CTC. ESOPs are only compensation for the risk you are taking and trusting the company/team/founders.

Whenever someone asks me about taking a pay cut and going to a startup, I ask them to be doubly sure and don’t go just because they are offering a lot of esops.

I joined at a pay cut in startup but really thought the team and idea was really good

FluffyNugget
FluffyNugget
Plivo17mo

It’s just to inflate compensation unlike RSUs of public companies.

JazzyBagel
JazzyBagel
Zepto17mo

True in a lot of the cases

DerpyDumpling
DerpyDumpling

These days new startups year of expiry is unlimited

BubblyNugget
BubblyNugget

Also in buy back your stocks need to be vested + some cap is there . Toh at max 10% of vested you can use for buy back

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